Super-Budget 2.2L Stroker?

erolit · Nov 17, 2004

Ok im having a bit of trouble finding out exactly what is required to build a 2.2L stroker 3sgte. I have read a whole bunch of threads on it, with people recommending 5sfe rods, 3sgte rods, aftermarket rods, pistons, ground cranks etc etc.

What i want to know is what is the absolute minimum (im willing to machine the crank to whatever it needs) in parts i need to get a 2.2L happening. Can i use the 5SFE crank with the 3SGTE rods and pistons? if so what needs to be done, or is there a cheaper/better way

Yes, im stingey

Thanks guys,

Elliott

OlyST185 · Nov 18, 2004

the jun stroker kit is the way to go if you have the funds...
the 5SFE crank with the 3SGTE rods is another options but 5SFE are known to knock from the crank. Balancement of the hole bottom end would be required for safety reasons. just my 2 cents.

erolit · Nov 18, 2004

Put it this way, i can't afford an exahust system but i have a spare 5SFE sitting on the garage floor.

JUN stroker is way, way out of my league

Elliott

Terboman · Nov 18, 2004

I believe the "budget" setup you are looking for is the 5sfe crank, 3sgte rods, custom pistons (which CP pistons make.. part #SC7451). You will end up with a custom flywheel or...rumor has it the ST165 FW will work. The crank will have to have the rod journal machined down to accept the 3sgte rods. I do not know what affect this will have on the longevity of the crank. You could omit that machine work and run custom Pauter rods...at the added expense. You should also be aware that using the 3sgte rod creates a less than optimum rod ratio. I know one kit in particular got around this by using aftermarket rods (longer). However, he had custom pistons made which set the wrist pins high(!) up (like...within the ring lands) in order to maintain the correct comp ratio.

Does anyone here still see Pat C? He is probably our most experienced Stroker person on this board.

IMHO...."budget" and stroker do not mix. If someone was on a budget....I think a stroker build up would be the last thing I'd recommend. Why? Machine work, parts, assembly are going to completely deplete your "budget" funds. You will end up with a built stroker shortblock with stock...everything else. Some guy spending similar money on a turbo, ems, and/or a set of 264 cams is going to spank you with his stock shortblock.

..just my $.02.

Ciao,
Lee

Anonymous · Nov 18, 2004

Lee pretty well covered it, except that I can confirm that the ST165 flywheel does work with the 5S crank, and the 3S clutch. The other option is a Fidanza LWFW which has both the 5S and 3S bolt patterns on it.

Best regards,

___Scott___ · Nov 18, 2004

Excellent info guys. I though that's what I remembered from bits and pieces of previous posts, but it's nice to see it all in one place.

Terboman":13wfnjxg said:
IMHO...."budget" and stroker do not mix.

IMHO, "budget" and "Toyota" don't mix.

A small block Chevy stroker can be built pretty cheap.

maroon_185 · Nov 18, 2004

maybe you should check out cj-motorsport's stroker kit its about 1/4 of jun and has everything you need if I remember right

InitialD93 · Nov 19, 2004

HKS also makes a 2.2 stroker for the 3sgte

Kyoto · Nov 19, 2004

While def. not a "budget stroker kit" the HKS kit is substnatially cheaper than the Jun package. I think in AUD terms the JUN one is worth about 6-7k but the HKS one is about 3.5k.

turbo4wd · Nov 19, 2004

Anyone have any info on the HKS stroker kit?

Wraith · Nov 19, 2004

from an old thread on the MR2 forum

Engine based on the 3S-GTE block:

(Format: Stroke x Bore x rod length x rod ratio = size in liter)
86 x 86.5 x 138 x 1.6 = 2.022
86 x 86.5 x 142.5 x 1.66 = 2.022 Long rod
88 x 86.5 x 141.5 x 1.61 for a 2.069
91 x 86.5 x 138 x 1.5 for a 2.139
91 x 86.5 x 140 x 1.54 for a 2.139 Long rod

Engines based on a 5SFE block:
86 x 87.5 x 1.6 = 2.069
86 x 87.5 x 142.5 x 1.66 = 2.069 Long rod
88 x 87.5 x 141.5 x 1.61 for a 2.117
91 x 87.5 x 138 x 1.5 for a 2.189
91 x 87.5 x 140 x 1.54 for a 2.189 Long rod.

The Rod journals on a 5s-fe crank is 2.0372 - 2.0376” or 51.745 - 51.755 mm

The rod journal on the 3S-GTE crank is 1.8797 - 1.880” or 47.745 - 47.755mm.

to do a 5S-FE crank in a 3S-GTE block you need to machine the rod journals on the 5S-FE crank down to 47.755mm.

Best Stroker kit on the market and the best bang for the buck is from ChrisK from Engine Logics

maroon_185 · Nov 19, 2004

how much does the stroker cost from them, I'm very interested there site is laid out to my liking. sounds like a company I would be very happy to do work on my car

Wraith · Nov 19, 2004

maroon_185":3sjay0ps said:
how much does the stroker cost from them, I'm very interested there site is laid out to my liking. sounds like a company I would be very happy to do work on my car

contact Chris Katthage aka ChrisK ... Tell him Justin with the 5S-GTE Camry sent you ... he's the owner and engine builder... His also the one that built my 5s-gte...

maroon_185 · Nov 19, 2004

hmm I might be contacting him a bit for I will need some machine work doen this summer hopefully.

Wraith · Nov 19, 2004

maroon_185":2o3khjev said:
hmm I might be contacting him a bit for I will need some machine work doen this summer hopefully.

heres post my mentor :notworthy:Chris posted awhile back ...

ChrisK":2o3khjev said:
Self-introduction:

I am 48 years of age, raced motorcycles until a disastrous crash on a Cagiva F1 took me of the track in 1982. Since then I have build no less than 4 homebuilt aircraft as well as numerous high performance engines for race teams as well as individuals. I have a proven track record and for the MR community have successfully built multiple reliable high horsepower 3S-GTE engines for both street and track use.

I do quality work in both engine building and cylinder head work. My main source of income is in the computer business. Building engines is a life long passion and hobby. My garage at home is equipped with all the necessary tools and equipment to do cylinder head work such as porting, overhauls and repairs. I also have all the necessary equipment to do successful engine rebuilds. Block and crank work such as boring and grinding is outsourced to two reputable local machine shops.

Inlet manifolds I built have proved to add in some instances up to 65 HP over stock on certain engines.

If any one is interested in crank work or having me build them a complete stroker or rebuild their entire engine they are more than welcome to contact me. fj_chris@yahoo.com

emicen · Nov 20, 2004

Fensport had the HKS 2.2 stroker on their project Corolla and couldnt stop cracking blocks so had to back it down to 2.1. The HKS uses crank and a slight overbore to get to 2.2.

Since they went back to 2.1 I havent heard of any further problems.

Terboman · Nov 20, 2004

I agree with Justin/Wraith. Unless you have built many 3s/5s racing motors...I would go with ChrisK. The guy's work is as good as...or actually better than stock Toyota assembly.

Is his work expensive? Not compared to a poorly asssembled stroker build up that's gonna puke oil or seize on you after a couple thousand miles on it. :wink:

emicen · Nov 20, 2004

Out of interest, does anyone have ballpark figures for ChrisK work? Obviously its going to be spec dependant, but for your basic stroked long block and ported head?

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