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Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:05 am
by CMS-GT4
Anyone have a set of coilovers they have not installed yet to compare?

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:58 pm
by underscore
I can try to line up my camber plates with my spare struts but I know that the rear studs don't make an equilateral triangle like the fronts do.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:08 am
by athousandleaves
I did this on my car and lost all self centering of the steering, without much positive effect to the feel is this typical of swapping the plates?
Maybe all I was missing was the over-priced alignment?
Some local Alltrac guys suspected that it was to do with the kingpin/sai being thrown off :shrug:

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:34 am
by MWP
CMS-GT4 wrote:On a related note, has anyone used their front caster plates on the rear?


Not going to work, they are very different.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:36 am
by CMS-GT4
Ok, thanks. I was going to get some noltechs for the front and use the teins on the rear, but nevermind. I will just stick with my teins as caster plates and use crash bolts for camber.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:37 am
by MWP
athousandleaves wrote:I did this on my car and lost all self centering of the steering, without much positive effect to the feel is this typical of swapping the plates?
Maybe all I was missing was the over-priced alignment?
Some local Alltrac guys suspected that it was to do with the kingpin/sai being thrown off :shrug:


I lost self centering at extreme steering angles (near lock).
During normal driving it works fine though.

Did you get a wheel align after adding caster?
Its vital to do so, as adding caster will throw toe out of whack which will effect the self-centering effect.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:38 am
by MWP
CMS-GT4 wrote:Ok, thanks. I was going to get some noltechs for the front and use the teins on the rear, but nevermind. I will just stick with my teins as caster plates and use crash bolts for camber.


Yup, thats the way to do it.

Using adj strut tops to adjust camber isnt good anyway. It increases the kingpin angle which is bad.
Using crash/cam bolts is the best way to add camber.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:58 am
by athousandleaves
MWP wrote:
athousandleaves wrote:I did this on my car and lost all self centering of the steering, without much positive effect to the feel is this typical of swapping the plates?
Maybe all I was missing was the over-priced alignment?
Some local Alltrac guys suspected that it was to do with the kingpin/sai being thrown off :shrug:


I lost self centering at extreme steering angles (near lock).
During normal driving it works fine though.

Did you get a wheel align after adding caster?
Its vital to do so, as adding caster will throw toe out of whack which will effect the self-centering effect.



Yeah I neglected to go for an alignment, I've since swapped back and have gone for a more tire-conservative amount of camber :(

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:32 am
by MWP
If you have a decent amount of caster you dont need static camber.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:44 pm
by CMS-GT4
How much caster do you think one could gain without swapping the plates, left to right. I can't seem to get mine off. If I could get two or so, I think that would be fine for now.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:19 am
by Mafix
fyi post
st16x chassis

superpro increased caster bushings
turned megan coilovers to increase camber and caster
and cam bolts to correct camber

i measured my caster (work at a shop with a beam alignment machine), 2.8 degrees positive.

Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:06 pm
by Meenya
Using crash/cam bolts adds another variable when you pick width and offset for your wheels just thought I'd mention that.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:24 pm
by dkdmonk
Not sure if anyone cares but I've been working with Jay at Ground Control and they're going to make some 185 caster/camber plates.
We went back and forth about using the camber plates as caster and crash bolts for camber. His plates are slotted for caster (body mount) and slotted for camber (strut mount).
Much like these (although these are for MR2 and don't have as much castor adjustment as some of his other plates) -
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I'm getting the GC coil over kit to go with my Koni's and had planned on going Cusco plates but he said he has had a few folks ask for these and has decided to offer them. Contact Jay/Trevor if you have questions, not me :lol:

I will do a write up on the swap after I get everything. So far the struts are off and I've pulled them all a part, once I get the coil over kit I'll cut the old spring perches off and have the strut tubes powder coated before putting them back together. Jay said the CCP's should be ready in a couple of weeks. I've got time since I'm also working on a 205 motor swap..
Cheers,

PS I have no financial interest with GC, just happy customer (they supplied my CO kit for my other sporty car:-))

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:26 am
by CMS-GT4
I like this better than the other design. I need to figure out if my twins will fit and these will go on my shopping list.

Re: Using camber plates as caster plates?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:01 pm
by gt4tified
These look like an excellent option for those with spring/strut combos! Is there an estimated price for them as yet? I'm interested!